The following program is recorded content created by The Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live! Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at karm.org. When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. Hey everyone, welcome to the show. You're listening to Matt Slick Live, and I am Matt Slick. And for those who might be newbies listening, driving around, Matt Slick is my real name. Reverend Slick never sounds good, but there you go. If you want to give me a call, all you got to do is dial 877-207-2276. We talk about Christianity, Atheism, Oneness, Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, We talked about Trinitarianism, universals, the one in the many issues, some philosophy, evolution, mathematics, logic, UFOs, the occult, and all kinds of things that we talk about and I've written about on the CARM.org website. Hope you want to check it out. And it's, oh yes, by the way, if you want to email me, you don't want to call, you know, you want to email me, You can do that as well. And I can read your question or comment over the air if we get to it. And just to do that, all you've got to do is go to just email us at info at karm.org. Just info at karm.org. And you can get through. People do that. Not a big deal. Pretty easy. All right. Why don't we just jump on the air here with Spain, I guess her name, from North Carolina. Welcome. You're on the air. Yeah. Hi. I called yesterday at the end of your show and you didn't have time to address it. Okay. I just, I've noticed, you know, a lot of people call Jesus Lord and they'll say Lord when they're talking about God. And I know that's one of the criteria that you have to You know, claim him as Lord in order to be saved. And I feel like I pray to God. I feel like I care what he thinks, but yet I don't seem to feel the urge to call Jesus Lord. I don't know. I'm not saying I wouldn't. I'm not saying that. I'm saying I don't feel the natural urge to do it. Like other people I've seen do it. I do have Asperger's syndrome. You have what? I'm sorry, what syndrome do you have? Asperger's syndrome. Asperger's syndrome. Asperger's? You have Asperger's? Do you know that I do too? Yeah, yeah, I know. I've spent decades working through it, and I can mask it pretty well. But my friends, they see stuff. And they still love me. So no problem, man. We're both broken vessels. So the issue of Asperger's, I'm glad you brought it up and I'm in a sense glad you've got it. I really wish you didn't. But what I mean is that being able to relate to you now is so much easier. There's this issue that we Aspies often deal with. We don't need social stuff as much as others, generally speaking. We don't get social cues. But that's not all of it. Sometimes internally we don't have that ability or as strong as ability to connect with others the way neurotypical people do. Are you with me so far? So, for me as an example, it manifests in analytical mind and thought and things like that. More so than the average person. And also there are manifestations that occur where our relationship with God is strained because He's, I'm going to say this, I hope I say it the right way, he's distant in that we can't touch him, we can't see what he does, and we have to by faith trust, which is a form of social challenge. Because what you and I would do in a crowd, at least I know what I do, I watch people's body language and I pay attention to their tone. And this is a problem when God isn't there in front of us, so to speak. So we have a weakness in that area. And it can bring to the front, different people can react different ways. It can bring a little bit of resentment, or caution, or insecurity, or whatever it might be. And so the issue of calling him Lord, now we can talk about. because when I pray I say you know Lord Jesus but I'll use it as a title because he is the Lord and I often just pray just to Christ and I say Lord Jesus I didn't even realize I say it but that's what I say Lord Jesus and because he is that by definition whether I acknowledge it or feel it or not. Are you with me so far? And you know that because I saw somebody, others, it was a video and the guy was talking about, because he claims to be, he said multiple times that he was son of man, he was the son of man, and in the Old Testament that actually meant that he was a deity, he was deity. how we can claim that. Yeah, in Daniel it talks about that. Do you affirm that Jesus is God in flesh? Uh... Okay. Okay, you don't know. I guess, um... Maybe I'm not sure sometimes. Sometimes I'll say yes, and then... Sometimes I'll... Well, actually, I guess... I've only recently been trying to deal with that about the past six months or so. Let me help you through that. I have to ask a couple of questions here. Do you believe the Bible is true? Yes. Do you believe it's inspired? Which means it doesn't have any errors in it. Do you believe that Matthew, Mark, Luke, John wrote their Gospels and Paul wrote stuff and James and Jude wrote stuff? Do you believe that? So then when we go to verses in the Bible, for example, in John 1.1 it says, In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Then verse 14, And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. We beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten, full of grace and truth. So Jesus there is called the Word, which was God, who became flesh. Colossians 2.9 says that in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead in bodily form. Jesus is worshipped in Matthew 2.2, 2.11, 14.33, 28.9, John 9, 35-38, Hebrews 1.6. In the Old Testament there's a phrase, call upon the name of Yahweh. which is the name of God, Yahweh. Call upon the name of Yahweh, calling on the name of Yahweh, called on the name of Yahweh. And it means prayer and worship and adoration and things like that. And it's only addressed to Yahweh, God Almighty. So that occurs in the Old Testament. When the Jews translated the Old Testament into the Greek around 250 BC, they translated the phrase, call upon the name of Yahweh, into the Greek, call upon the name of the Lord, Hakurias, the Lord, Hakurias. That phrase is used by Paul in first Corinthians 1 2 and he addresses it to Jesus when he says To the Church of God which is at Corinth to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus Saints by calling with all who in every place call on the name of the Lord Jesus That's the Lord in all all caps. No capital L or D. I No, it's not. I'm being technically correct with you when I say, no, it's not. Because in Greek, we have uppercase and lowercase, the same thing in Greek. And the upper is called unseals, and the lowercase is called minuscules. And the documents, basically, all the early Greek documents are all written in what's called minuscules, the lowercase. It's just all of it, all right? Okay, so it's not in the English. We don't do that a capital Lord Even though it's a quote from the Old Testament where that would be the case But it's not the case in Greek because the Greek writers didn't do that So you get me, okay? Yeah Yeah, it's just the way that they use the Greek language. I don't understand Greek, but it's okay. You know, I've had a few years of it in college and seminary, so I'm familiar with it. And so it's not a big deal, but the phrase is that, you know, it's used of God Almighty, but it's applied to Jesus. So the question now I have to ask you is, do you affirm, according to the scriptures, that Jesus is God in flesh? Yeah, I guess. I mean, I think. Because it's a thing that takes place in your mind when you say that, because it's not just saying, technically, yes, he's Lord. You mean the Lordship means? Incidentally. I do see what you're saying about Paul, and then John 1, 1, and the Colossians 2, 9. And you mentioned some other ones that I've forgotten. But there's more. Did you know that Jesus has two natures? A divine nature and a human nature. We call this the house of God, man. I understand that. And the divine nature is a second person of the Trinity, the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, which is eternal. So Jesus actually is the one who's the creator. And we can find that. That's what I don't have trouble with that. It's all right. Can I read your scriptures? Sure. All right. So I'm going to just go to Genesis 1, verse 1. And then I'm going to go to John 1. Now, it's interesting to read these, because you'll find out what happens here. So it says in Genesis 1, 1, in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. In John 1, 1, in the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, the Word was God. You go back to Genesis 2, I mean Genesis 1 verse 2, the earth was formless and void, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters. Verse 3, and God said, let there be light. Now God spoke, and there was light. Now notice, there's a trinity here, God, the Spirit, and the Word. God said, let there be light. Could you repeat the verses again? In the beginning was the Word of God, Word was God. That's John 1. Oh, that's John 1. Genesis is different. In the beginning, God created heaven and earth. So that's talking about the Father. Talking about, it just says God. It says God created the heavens and the earth. But when you look and you go in, in John 1, 2, it says, all things came into being through him. That's the word. All things came into being through him. And apart from him, nothing came into being that has, uh, that was, has come into being in him was the life and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness. This is a parallel to Genesis chapter one, verses one through three. So what John is doing, because John was a good Jew, he understood what he was writing when he was saying, Jesus is this one from the beginning associated with God himself who is the one spoken and the creator. That's what John the Apostle said. And then Paul the Apostle says, for by him all things were created both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible. And he says he's before all things and him all things hold together and that he is the one Who's the creator? This is who Jesus is. In him all things hold together. Okay. Okay. Okay. This is, this is an attribution of his godness, his deity. Hey, you got to hold on. We got a, we got a break. So hold on. Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, and welcome back to the show. We have four open lines. If you want to give me a call, 877-207-2276. Let's get back to, I guess, Spain. You still there? Yeah. My first name is David. It's OK. Oh, OK. All right. Actually, you were describing what Paul, what was it, something that Paul had said. Yeah, call upon the name of the Lord. And that Jesus, by him all things were created for him and through him. Yeah, that's right, it's right. And in, all the things are in, everything is in him, which means, that's like, people talk about he holds the universe together like if the atoms would fly apart if he didn't hold them together. Right. Um, so let me ask you, I guess that's a hard time. Okay. Go ahead. If that's the case, is he then the Lord? Sure. Absolutely. Yeah. If that's true, uh, it's just like, I'm just thinking about if I was there with the disciples, you know, I think I would at least be like Cornelius and say, Nicodemus, I'm sorry, Nicodemus, and say, hey, this guy's doing some good things. He can't possibly be from Satan. He must be from God. But I'm not sure that I would be like Peter and say, oh, he's the Lord. Well, what I'm doing is giving you, I'm just telling you what the scriptures say. Yes, I agree with what you said, yes. So Jesus is worshipped in Matthew, like I said, Matthew 2, 2, 2, 11, but also in Hebrews 1, 6. In fact, God the Father calls Jesus God in Hebrews 1, 8. Jesus even said, ask me. Yeah, in Hebrews 1, 8. But of the son, he says, thy throne, O God, is forever and ever. This is based out of the doctrine of the Trinity. all right and so Jesus Jesus is the Lord God in flesh who was made under the law Galatians 4 who never sinned 1st Peter 2.22 who went to the cross and bore our sin in his body 1st Peter 2.24 and then he raised himself from the dead because he prophesied he would do the resurrection I thought the father did it okay okay the father did he did it himself The Father raised him, the Spirit raised him, and Jesus raised himself. This deals with what's called inseparable operations. And this is a more complicated doctrine, which I've recently learned and am applying in different areas now. But it means that all the members of the Godhead are working at the same time which is why Jesus would say he'd say that I can only do what I see present tense, what I see the Father doing and stuff like that but at any rate the thing is that Jesus is he's the Lord God in flesh okay second person of the Trinity all right all right so that's what I need to And I need to tell you this, Jesus also said, well, let me back up and I'll give you the verse. When Moses was talking to God at the burning bush in Exodus 3, he said, what's your name? And God responded, I am that I am. And then in the Septuagint, they translate that as I am, okay? So I am that I am. Jesus says, unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins. So that's, I mean, what? This man is saying this? He's claiming incredible... And when the high priest asked him that, that's what he said, yeah. That's right. So let me ask you, have you ever asked Jesus to forgive you of all of your sins? I think so. Well, Jesus has all authority in heaven and earth, Matthew 28, 18, 19, and 20. And also, the Bible says, that all judgment has been given over to the Son. That's John 5, 22. So Jesus is the judge, Jesus is prayed to, Jesus is worshiped, Jesus is called God. Jesus says, ask me anything in my name and I will do it. He's claiming to be God. That's what it is. So therefore, he's also Lord because of who he is. It's just simple. That's why you can say, Lord Jesus, I certainly need you. You can say Lord Jesus and pray to Jesus. Maybe I'll ask him again if I haven't. Maybe I prayed to God, because when I was growing up, I didn't understand that Jesus was the central issue of everything. I thought he was just, okay, he was there, but I didn't understand until like the last four or five years that he was the central issue. I didn't get it. I obviously missed the whole thing, but I do now. Again. Do you know that the Bible is about Jesus? Because Jesus said in John 539, he says that the scriptures are about him. Right, right. And the Pharisees, they just wanted to follow a bunch of rules. But he said, no, you need to realize that they point to me. And we've been teaching that, and the pastors at my church have been teaching that. I just want to make sure. What I want to make sure is that you have gone to Christ and trusted in Christ and received Christ as your Savior, knowing that He died on that cross and rose from the dead three days later in the same body He died in. He still is in a human body. He still is. He forever will be like that. And that He is God in flesh, the Creator, who became one of us, the greatest act of humility. Is it by the work of Christ becoming one of us? This is who he is and so he is Lord automatically Okay Does that help You get muffled there go ahead get a little muffled. Yes, it does. It does help. Yes. I Changed my body position. Um Okay So yeah, um, and then, and then that, that I prayed to him and asked him for, uh, asked him specifically for, uh, for remission of sin, um, based on what he did on the cross. Um, I, I understand that there's nothing we can do to earn it. I understand that. Um, um, do you believe that he rose from the dead physically? I believe he's in heaven. I don't know. I guess it's the physicalness of it. Maybe that's the issue. Maybe it's the imagination of the physicalness of it. No, it was prophesied in the Old Testament, in Psalm 16, that the Holy One would not see decay. And so He was crucified and pierced in His wrists and His feet and His side. Hold on a little bit longer, we've got a break. And then after the break, I'll read you something from the text of after He rose from the dead and what it says. It's the same body. We'll be right back. Okay, hold on. Hey, folks, please stay tuned. We'll be right back after these messages. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Dave. I guess that was Dave. I think that's what it was. You still there? Yes, sir. Well, you know no one's called because they're listening. They're concerned for you. It's alright. And this often happens, or sometimes I should say happens, where good conversations like this are worth listening to. I think the Lord's working on you. So, oh yes, I was going to read. If you were understanding that he wrote to the dead, yeah. Yes. So after eight days, his disciples were again inside. This is after Jesus was crucified. And Thomas was with them. Jesus came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, peace be with you. And he said to Thomas, reach here your finger and see my hands and reach here your hand and put it into my side and do not be unbelieving, but believing. And Thomas answered and said, my Lord and my God, to Jesus. this is who he is, and you need to know that. That's who he is. Okay? You there? Yeah. Okay. Well, so you have anything else you want to ask or add to that? Yeah, I've read all of that. I've heard terms on it. I probably identify with Thomas a little bit, wanting to be shown and not simply believing somebody else's word for it. Well, it's what they wrote that He actually said. Why don't you try spending time reading the Word and praying to Christ, and ask Him to reveal Himself to you. Just ask Him. Read the Word, because that's a conversation. You hear Him speak in the Word, you speak to Him in prayer. It's a conversation that way. All right. Yeah, I got a little emotional a couple of seconds ago. I'm sure here. But anyway, it's OK. OK, so what's what do I need to be focused on? Just realize, number one, he is he is God, he is Lord. So that's that's one of the two points that have to be understood. And the second one is that he actually physically came back to life. And, you know, he walked around, talked with the disciples, he talked with what, 500 people is what they said, 500 people, and he ascended back to heaven, and they saw him go back to heaven. That's right. Okay, and so I mean, what books should I read? Which chapters? Is that asked? I would just go to the Gospels and start reading the Gospels. If you don't want to read a whole bunch, read Mark. The longest Gospel is Luke. You can't go wrong by reading either of them. Or if you have a Bible with red letters, you could just scan through and read the red letter stuff. Before and after you get the context. You can do that too. All right, thank you very much. Give me a call in a week and let me know how it goes. All right, buddy. All right. All right, man. God bless. All right. I spent a lot of time with that guy, and that's worth it. It was good. And now the calls are coming in, and that's fine, too. Let's get to Martin from Virginia. Martin, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, good afternoon, Matt. God bless. Thank you for your ministry. Sure. What do you got? discourse with that caller, you know, taking time to walk him, walk him, do things with some good, good logical questions and things to think about. Yeah, hopefully. You had made a comment that, you know, that, you know, Jesus is, you know, he's got a human body and, and I think I called about, you know, maybe it was last year, that He's got a glorified body, right? He's not a human body like Matt Flick's human body. No, well, like has a range of meanings. He's a human in a glorified body. He's just the first one. I'll be glorified in my physical body later on. And so we're similar, okay? Yeah, so in likeness, but not in physical, not in nature, though. Well, he has two natures, divine and human. I only have human, and you do too. And for those of us who've trusted in Christ, we'll be resurrected in glorified bodies, won't be able to die anymore, no more sickness and things like that. And that's what's going to happen. Jesus is already in that glorified state. He's the firstborn from the dead. Colossians 1, 17, 18 talks about that. And we'll follow it in suit. But he is a human being right now with a human physical body, but the physical body has been glorified. Okay, that's important. There's no cavities in his teeth. His hair doesn't grow. He doesn't need a dentist. I don't know if his hair grows or not, but I'm with you. I get what you're saying. Yeah, but Jesus had that special nature even when he was on earth, right? He was able to, you know, his transition on the mount, you know, that's something that was only capable by Jesus. Yeah, the transfiguration in Matthew 17. Yeah, and Jesus is was and still is fully human He's God in flesh. He has two natures. A lot of people are really surprised by that and I can go into it and I've taught on it many times, but he prophesied in John 2 19 through 21 that he would raise up his own body and And in 1 Corinthians 15, 35-45, it talks about that which is sown in the ground is that which is raised. But it's glorified, the very same body. And Jesus was pierced in his hands and his feet and his side and stuff. And he said to Thomas, put your hand into my side. So he retained the crucifixion wounds after his glorified body was resurrected. Or resurrected and began to be glorified. Okay? Yeah, yeah. Yep, exactly. I appreciate that. Thanks. Okay. That's who he is. And he forever will be like that, forever, as our intercessor, according to Hebrews 6, 27, 25, as the mediator and the one who is our go-between between the Father and us. Okay? Yeah. All right. Yep. Fair enough. Okay. God bless. Okay. All right. Let's jump over to Courtney from Ohio. Courtney, welcome. You're on the air. Hey there. I was wondering if you had heard about the recent interview that Jonathan Ruby did about the Jesus Revolution movie. No, I have not. I was out of the country for two weeks. I was in Israel. Got back Sunday and still recovering from jet lag, so I hadn't heard anything. Well, I'd heard a couple. I hadn't seen anything, but that's all. I just heard people say, hey, the movie, that one about Chuck Smith, that one you're talking about? Yes. Um, I saw, I read your article about, um, the chosen, which I was really glad you wrote that. Cause I, you know, wanted to, I was wondering what your opinion on that is. And I agreed with you until I saw this interview. Um, so I was wondering if maybe you had heard about it or not. So I'll just interview of who, interview of who with what, uh, who was interviewed. So Jonathan Rumi, he did an interview. I don't know the woman's name. But you can find it easily on YouTube. Who's Jonathan Romey? He's the guy that plays Jesus in The Chosen. Oh, yeah, he's a Roman Catholic. Yeah, he's a Roman Catholic. He is Jesus in the series The Chosen and he also plays one of the characters in this new movie. So he did an interview about the movie and he was talking about how He went to, um, I think the guy's name is Lonnie Fisher. Okay. All right. The guy, the, the real guy in the movie. Um, but he's playing, he went to his grave. He said, this is Jonathan Rumi. He said he went to this guy's grave, laid on the grave and prayed a rosary with him. I was like, wow. That's bad. That's horrible. It is horrible. Huh? It is horrible. I know. Well, you had just written that article about the Chosen, and I'm like, I wonder if that might kind of affect your thinking then on watching the Chosen, because I think people might want to know that. Well, I could add that information in there. But what gets me is this. It's Philippians 1, 15 through 18. Some, to be sure, are preaching Christ even from envy and strife, but some also from goodwill. The latter do it out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. The former proclaim Christ out of the selfish ambition rather than from pure motives, thinking to cause me distress in my imprisonment. What then only that in every way whether in pretense or in truth Christ is proclaimed and in this I rejoice Yes, and I will rejoice That's how I view the Chosen. I wouldn't care, I would care, but if the actor was an atheist, if he did a good job and it represented Christ faithfully to the scriptures, okay, I'd rather that be proclaimed than not. And we'll get to logic, all the genetic fallacy here when we get back from the break. So hold on, okay? Hey folks, we'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877-207-2276. Here's Matt Slick. All right, welcome back to the show, last segment of the hour. Courtney, are you still there? I'm still here. Okay. So, yeah, I can always update that article. And it is a concern that the lead character, actor, is Roman Catholic. I mean, he's not a Christian. And he's, you know, involved in paganism and Catholicism. But now the question then does it mean, hey, we shouldn't watch a series because of it? The genetic fallacy. No, I'm just saying that some people might want to know that, you know. I once I found that out my choice would be not to watch it that's just me personally and I'm just saying if other people feel that way I mean I thought it was It's very concerning that somebody would go lay on someone's grave and play a rotary with them to prepare for the role that he was dealing in the movie. Yeah, that's concerning. He needs to repent of his great sin. So here's the thing. Let's say an atheist serial killer taught someone algebra. Does it then mean that we can't use algebra or shouldn't be associated with it because of the source? It's called a genetic fallacy. Yeah, and the same thing goes here. My opinion, this is my opinion, and I understand that Dallas Jenkins, the producer, originator of the series, is working with the Mormons, and they're not Christians, and that the lead actor who plays Jesus is a Roman Catholic, and he's not a Christian. So the question then becomes, do we say don't watch it, or don't have Christ promoted? Because ultimately, Sorry, but it is he's being promoted and There's a lot of liberty taken here and there but I would rather the series still go on than not Because I'm so far nothing has been heretical But you know as long as they don't add works to salvation and things like that You know my thumbs up are up so far, but I'll be watching it and and keeping up. I've watched every episode except for the past two because I was in Israel. But, yeah, it's a tough one. And, you know, people need to do what they think is right to watch it or not watch it. Okay? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Alright. But thanks for that information. I appreciate it. Send me the information, info at karm.org, about what he did. I'd like to put that in there. But yet, Christ is being proclaimed and people are coming to repentance. What do you do? Mel Gibson. Yeah, go ahead. Right. Right. Oh, I was just going to say that, um, be as formed as you can going, like even for the, he, he did it to prepare for that movie. So be as formed as you can about the actors. If that's important, it is to me that before you go in, cause some people that might, they might appreciate that. Other people might not care. I think it's a good point to be well informed. Send me the information about the main actors there and I'll look it up and include it. I do appreciate that. I didn't mean to cut you off. Oh yeah. So Mel Gibson is a staunch traditionalist Roman Catholic and he did The Passion. Well I'm glad The Passion was done. It showed the crucifixion. And of course he added some Catholic crud in it but I'd still rather it's out there than not. That's how I look at it. Better to have it presented than not. That's what it comes down to for me. Okay? Excellent point. Thank you. Okay. Well, God bless. Talk to you later. All right. You too. Bye-bye. Okay. Thanks for calling. You know, Randall in the chat room made a good point. He said, should we close our church if we found out pagans or unbelievers built it physically, you know, the physical building? You know, the origin is bad. That's a good point. I'm going to use that one. I like that. And then maybe I can sound even more intelligent by using what Randall said. Good job. All right. Now let's get to Gary from Utah. Gary, welcome. You're on the air. Hey man, how's it going? It's going, man. Doing radio and hanging in there. What do you got? I'm glad you made it. I'm glad you made it back safely on the airplane ride from your trip. That's important. So I'm glad you're back safe. Oh man, it was a ride of airplane from Tel Aviv to Istanbul, Istanbul to L.A., L.A. to Boise, and I don't know how many hours, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 hours flying inside of like 24 hours, and like three, four hours sleep, so going through checkpoints and yeah. Well, your replacement guy did a pretty good job. We heard the substitute guy, he did a good job. Of course, he's great. But I was going to say, I wanted to mention about what you were kind of talking about on the, I haven't seen the Jesus Revolution, I might check it out possibly, but the guy that she's talking about, that roomie guy, yeah, he played in The Chosen, he actually is representing Lonnie Frisbee, the guy's name was Lonnie Frisbee back in the day. Chuck Smith was represented, even a young Greg Laurie with his wife before his ministry, they got him into the ministry. I haven't seen the movie, but yeah, that guy, Rumi, he's definitely a Catholic. And I don't know, I haven't seen the movie, so I've just seen reviews on it, but I mean, it says it follows it historically, but I want to kind of get my own view on that and kind of see, you know, once I watch it. And then the other thing I was going to ask you about too is, I seem to be running into a lot of these people, like on comments, like say a gospel video, and you get a lot of Catholics a lot of times in the comment section where, for whatever reason, I don't know where they got this from, but they think that the Bible came from the Catholic Church and that it's a Catholic Bible. I'm like, no, it's Jewish. It's a Jewish Bible. So that's the other thing I run into a lot. I'm thinking, I'm going to get Matt on this because he deals with this a lot. You're right. It's Jewish. The Jews are the ones who gave us the Old Testament. And the Catholics, in their ignorant arrogance, want to claim credit and say, our church gave it to you. We have the authority. Our church is the true church. Blah, blah, blah. Yawn, yawn, yawn. Throw mud at them. And I just get so irritated by the stupidity that that argument is. And the Catholics, they're not loyal to Christ or loyal to their church. The radio I listen to here, the Catholic radio, I listen to it because I want to keep informed on heresy. And they'll say, come home to Jesus. I mean, no, they say, come home to the church. Or I heard a few days ago, some lady called up, you know, I'm getting involved in the true church, the church, you know, coming back to fellowship with the church. I'm like, give me a break. You know, the church isn't going to help you in heaven. It's Jesus who's our advocate. You need Christ. I get so tired of the paganism and the idolatry. Anyway, sorry, you got me going there. I'm high-fiving you because of those people who are the Catholic, well, the ones that are so into that. They don't realize that the church, that's us, the body of believers, but the difference is we're born again. We're not Catholic. We're born again. John 3, 3, you got to be born again. That's a personal relationship. And I try to talk to some of those people in comments and I tell them, didn't you study or educate themselves on what Martin Luther did and why Martin Luther did what he did? And then they try to claim, well, that was heresy. That was apostasy. I'm like, how so? You know what I mean? Actually, it just caught me to remember, I was listening to Catholic radio on the way back from dropping someone off at the airport two days ago. And I'd listened to the Catholic Answers talk about Martin Luther. I went to a Lutheran college, took classes from theologians there. And the guy was misrepresenting Lutheranism. And then he misrepresented Protestantism. I'm like, come on. You should know better than that. It was pretty blatant. It was pretty bad. Yeah. What a waste. Yeah. What a waste. You know, we went to Israel, and I've got film. I'm going to have to show it to people. But we went into the areas that the Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church build these great churches on. And I walked into this one area. And there's a slab of stone roughly three feet by six or seven feet long. And it supposedly is a stone, a flat stone, very flat, that Jesus either sweat upon or bled upon or prayed upon. And there are people kneeling before it, touching it, putting it beside the cross on their forehead, wiping it on their bodies. What are you doing? Just stop. It's not a talisman. And so I was with a group, and Eric Johnson goes, hey, you want to touch it? I go, give right. Who cares? He was joking, of course. Because they're so enslaved to tradition and objects. The heart is Christ and not the stone. you know it's yeah i was sad it was so sad i did you just reminded me of something priest i know we've only got three minutes left on your show but i was just going to say uh address this thing i think you kind of touched on it but where you said about the forehead and bondage from the Catholic Church. This is what false religions do, is they tie salvation in with that particular church, that particular prophet, or prophetess, or their revealed revelation. It's just the various things. Hold on a second. So to me it's sad. I was talking to a guy in one of the chat rooms last night, he's a Catholic, and I said, look, if you ask Jesus to forgive you of all of your sins, will he do it? Yes. Well then why do you need the Catholic Church? Because that's his true church. They always have to promote their church. Jesus to them is never enough. That's the thing. With all the false religions, Jesus is never enough by himself. This is the, it's the mark of a false system. When it's Jesus plus something you have to do on a regular basis to keep yourself right with God. That's the demonic teaching. That's from the devil. That also leads into those people who don't believe that our salvation is secure. You know, when they say, well, do you believe that once saved, always saved? And I said, well, I asked them a question. Do you believe Jesus paid for all of our sins? Do you believe you can keep your salvation? No, it is secure, of course. That's right. And Jesus did it. It doesn't mean we can go out and sin because they forget about regeneration, that we're changed internally with our salvation and forgiveness. We don't want to do those things. And so they deny eternal security because their salvation is dependent upon their ability. And this is false religion. It's just false stuff. It's insanity. And that legalism is scary. Yes, it is. I'm really glad that you clarified that, because a lot of people, even some people who claim to be Christian think, and you've dealt with them, they think that we can lose the salvation, and it's like, oh, we've got to add the works, and I'm like, uh, no, they misunderstand what the works part is. Right. We do good works because we're regenerated, but our legal declaration of righteousness is by faith in Christ, and it's a single forensic event, legal event, that occurs upon justification. Right. That's what it is. And all false religions confuse that with their works, and then they, in their incredible arrogance, they don't realize they're arrogant. but they're actually saying, or believing, that they, in their sincerity, in their contrition of heart, in their good standing with God, can keep themselves right with God. It's a profound arrogance. No, I'm being hurdled. No, you're not. You're saying that you can please God sufficiently to keep yourself right with Him, along with what Christ did. That's crazy. That's from the devil. Yeah, it is. Yeah, we we need to really keep in prayer. And it just tells us that, you know, the rapture can be that much closer. His coming is that much closer, too. So we're in that last part there. We are. And unfortunately, I'm a depressed scatologist. I believe we're going through. Oh, I don't. I believe the other way. But that's good for you. But I don't I know that that's not a salvation issue, but I just believe it's immediate. It says imminent. So, but the good thing is- There's a break, there's a break, buddy. We gotta go. The music's on, sorry. All right, thank you. Sorry to interrupt you. Okay, man, God bless. All right, there we go. The end of the hour. Sorry, Herb from North Carolina. Call back tomorrow. Hey, everybody, have a great evening. God bless. Another program powered by The Truth Network.